We Serve Hell And Suffer Well
It is perhaps nowhere more evident than in London the many reminders of Britain’s long and historic past.
As I walked the time-honoured streets of Whitehall, Parliament Square and the Victoria Embankment this grey morning, I was reminded by the presence of numerous solemn and silent bronze statues of celebrated Britons, that ours was once a great nation based on values of self-determination and self-governance that served us well for centuries before – and that this should not be forgotten.
Yet, arguably and very much unfortunately this is no longer the case. At today’s Steering group held Pro-Referendum Rally outside Parliament in London, I believe the most important point made by any of the assembled speakers was that the European Union did not take the supranational powers that it has slowly obtained without permission – in fact quite the opposite. Successive British governments elected by us, the people, have unfortunately and underhandedly frittered away sovereignty to a corrupt and undemocratic external body.
So, in reality, it has been a small and unrepresentative set of British people who have slowly whittled away our right to self-government. Furthermore, the great problem is that those powers of self-rule were not our Parliament’s to give away. MPs are merely custodians of our rights and constitution; powers which they must protect and return to us intact after every successive general election. Yet, for decades our MPs certainly have not been protecting these powers and without consulting us, leaving Britain at times in an utter mess, both politically and constitutionally.
This is all made more worrying by the fact that far from the initially projected half a million marchers today, attendance was rather dismal (or so I thought anyway.) My guess was that only about a thousand or so people turned out – if that. While a thousand people in itself it not too bad, you may have thought the enormity of the issue would command a higher level of participation – though admittedly the lack of support may have been more down to bad organisation and lack of publicity rather than apathy.
Thankfully on the plus side the initially predicted rain held off, and though the rally, ominously overshadowed as it was by the Houses of Parliament that rose into the murky skies above, was less than well attended, I did enjoy the event and felt it was probably worthwhile making the effort to go.
The speeches were on the whole reasonably good, with Daniel Hannan and Roger Helmer as always putting in excellent performances. What’s more, there really was quite an eclectic variety of people who turned out – so much so that I somehow found myself reading literature from the Communist party and BNP – both not my cup of tea, but still interesting nonetheless.
Speaking of the BNP, I did however have my reservations about the event. I suspect I wasn’t the only one who was extremely uncomfortable sharing the same ground with members of the British National Party who were certainly making every effort to make their presence noticeably felt. In fact I made the mistake of standing near a group of these individuals; one of which insisted on bellowing ‘freedom’ and ‘liars’ from the top of his voice at almost every opportunity (I assumed they were BNP anyway) – and the chap in front who was whooping like an American almost as frequently was not much better.
Surprisingly (or perhaps not depending upon your view of to what extent the media controls the agenda) the Referendum Rally has thus far hardly been mentioned by the mainstream media. Quite clearly the Associated Press have released some material on the issue, and apparently BBC News 24 covered the event briefly during the afternoon. However, the distinct lack of reporting does seem somewhat dubious – though we shall probably know for sure tomorrow as to whether this has been deliberate or not.
Whether or not Gordon Brown gives the British people a referendum on the Lisbon treaty is I suppose not really much of a concern, mainly because it very much appears that he won’t – whatever the short-term cost to his reputation, as he knows full well that the British would return a ‘No’ vote if given the opportunity which would be far more damaging to the relationship with his EU ‘colleagues’.
It was with this in mind that in the tree muffled squares of Parliament there seemed to be a palatable sense of despair. Yet, at the same time, the rally may have temporarily given supporters a glimmer of hope. There is a slim possibility that with pressure applied at a constituency level to individual MPs, Parliament may actually fulfil the job it is meant to, by voting down the Reform Treaty after a period of scrutiny. Whether even this will work however, only time and the effectiveness of the Labour whipping system will tell.
Your Comments:
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- Liberty Valence
Chris
Thank you for this interesting report. And for identifying who the true culprits are – ie our own UK governments & civil servants for acquiescing in this treasonable betrayal. And not even for gold! Bearing in mind how much EU membership costs for the UK each year – a net US $10 Billion (lots of new & better schools, hospitals, defence equipment etc)- & how little we get out of it. Other, that is, than the 1100 Brussels-sourced regulations which Parliament frequently has neither the time nor the inclination to review.If there is a referendum on the UK’s EU membership, it is unfortunately unlikely that the anti-EU camp (ie mine) would win, but perhaps it would help illuminate how much UK politicians lie to us – due, I suspect, to a skilled mixture of EU bribes & blackmail applied to those in UK leaderahip & opinion-forming positions.
The easy solution is for a UK government with genuine principals (very regretably a rarity) to propose a new body called, I suggest, the UHEC (the satirizable name might even be a marketing asset!) – ie “the Union of HONEST European countries”, which if successful would in due course hopefully evolve into a loose friendly North Atlantic community.
But no UK political party seems to dare to say either NO to the EU (despite some of its newer members looking as if they would like to), or what is vital – ie having as clear alternative vision of the UK’s future & of what post-EU opportunities might offer for the EU’s anti-integrationist member countries & their citizens if they could escape from Brussels’ control. A genuinely loose-knit alternative is what many member countries’ citizens seem to want – witness their desires for referendums on the current treaty, even though their governments, like our current perfidious one, regretably will not give them a specific voice on the EU’s structure & future.
As FDR said: “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself!”
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- Andrew A
Chris, thanks for writing up your experiences of the rally. I couldn’t attend, and was surprised how little had been published about it, as of last night. If you want to blog about it in more detail, I would be v. interested to hear a blow by blow account, and your impression of the different points made, who made them, which views were popular, which weren’t. Sorry to hear there was a sense of despair – I suppose it’s only understandable when such a critical national issue attracts only a thousand people or so.
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A good summary, Chris. If we are to get a referendum, we will need more LibDem MPs to keep their manifesto promise than just Mike Hancock. This should be one of the priorities for Tory parliamentary candidates and associations, especially in LibDem-Tory marginal seats.
The weblink given details the flip-flopping of Clegg and Huhne.
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- Jens Winton
It seems the anti-abortion rally with fewer people got more coverage than this. I wonder why. Some of you may now realise what we in UKIP have faced for years in getting out the message that we are better out than in the EU. Our positions are not illogical so we either face bitter character assassinations (closet racists, cranks, gadflies, Little Englanders etc) or, as this rally has shown, indifference in the media at large.
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- JBrown
You owe me an apology Sir,
I was the person shouting “FREEDOM” and “LIAR” at the mention of gordon browns name, are you saying I’m not allowed to air my opinions?
Also I was there with my mate who’s parents are of Indian descent and I take great exception to being labelled BNP for daring to raise my voice in agreement with the speakers.
You should know better Sir than making those unsubstantiated comments, you are no better than those you supposedly oppose.
I was their for MY familys future, incidently my wife is Asian and my two children are mixed.
SHAME ON YOU FOR YOUR BIGOTTED OPINION.
God Save the Queen.ps-I’m UKIP and proud of it, I would consider voting for your party if and when you decide to grow a backbone. The Conservatives double-standards are highlighted magnificently by yourself in the above comments…say one thing, do another.
Pathetic and lazy assumptions, why didn’t you simply ask me?
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- JBrown
Do these comments remind you of anyone Chris? Daily Mirror article
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J Brown, I believe this to be a free country and so did not have a problem with you airing your opinions whatsoever at the rally (if indeed it was you.) However, it was particularly loud which was my point – and also, as I said, I quite enjoyed the eclectic mix of parties at the event despite the fact that I did not agree with them.
That said, why exactly did you arrive at my website after searching Google for ‘bnp referendum rally’ if you are in fact a UKIP supporter?
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- JBrown
I googled it after a friend told me about the idiotic daily mirror piece and decided to see what other LIES were out there and came across YOURS.
Typical tory reply though,
you haven’t the decency to apologise but felt quite within your rights to tell anyone who listens/reads you that I was a bnp supporter.
How about addressing the mistake you’ve made at my expense?
I will complain to the daily traitor as well but will make no difference as they and people like YOU are part of the problem in this Country.
After 10 yrs marraige to an Asian woman I think I know more about peoples assumptions like yours towards people like me, I may not be a toff with rich parents I ASSUME like you but have a wealth of expeience in the REAL world.
I won’t take insinuations off a spoilt obnoxious self-rightous brat like yourself…
as I’ve had far worse reactions from far more unsavoury characters but I must admit I’m dissapointed to find those remarks written by those I thought were allies.Contrary to your day, I without predjudice made a lot of new friends without asking their political persuasion.
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- JBrown
By the way,
quote”I suspect I wasn’t the only one who was extremely uncomfortable sharing the same ground with members of the British National Party who were certainly making every effort to make their presence noticeably felt. In fact I made the mistake of standing near a group of these individuals; one of which insisted on bellowing ‘freedom’ and ‘liars’ from the top of his voice”
UNCOMFORATBLE, MISTAKE hardly the words to use if you, quote…
“this to be a free country and so did not have a problem with you airing your opinions whatsoever at the rally”As I said tory flip-flopping illustrated magnificently by yourself, as usual totally hypocritical.
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After being told of the daily traitors(mirror) “exclusive” by a friend I googled it to see what other lies were being told and came across yours.
What made you think I was BNP?
I can’t win can I?
Being married to an Asian woman for 10 years I’m sure I’ve had more insuations thrown my way by more unsavoury characters than yourself but surely I should expect more from a ‘connected’ person as yourself.
I too can make assumptions and you come across as a spoilt, obnoxious, self-righteous pipsqueak who has very little experience in REAL ORDINARY life. Affluent parentage and access to the ‘oldboy’ network—headstart for Chris eh?
Doubt though you”ll print my right to reply as it’s too uncomfortable for you…
or you could be a man about it and apologise for wrongly ‘jumping the gun’?
I will keep a copy though.Also “uncomfortable”, “mistake” are not the same as “I believe this to be a free country and so did not have a problem with you airing your opinions whatsoever at the rally”
You are also a contradictory hypocrite.
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Oh yes, one more thing can I assume you have BNP leanings because you choose the Union Flag as your avatar on the UMBRELLA BLOG!!!
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Well J Brown, if you are indeed a UKIP supporter then I apologise to you for making the mistake. However, in a free country we are entitled to make mistakes and people do. That is life.
I think that we can positively take away from the Referendum Rally that we both made an effort to speak up and attend an event for something that we believed in.
Also, I wish I was a member of an ‘oldboys’ network and had affluent parentage – sadly I do not though.
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- JBrown
I accept your apology-thanks.
Fair comment on the rest of the post.
A lesson that jumping to conclusions makes us as bad as the pc brigade.footnote, it may interest you to know that I was a fully paid up member of the (old) labour party until 1998.
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- Lynne Shawyer
Thank goodness J. Brown has been able to put the record straight; it’s just a shame that he’s not able to have his reply published in the same way as the person who wrote such defamatory remarks about him.
When I was shown the Daily Mirror article I couldn’t believe I’d been at the same rally as I hadn’t been aware of any disruptive BNP influence. I now realise I must have been standing fairly close to you too Chris and was quite vociferous but no more so than most of those around me at the rally. You were obviously not on the same wave length as the rest of us as I understood the poignancy of the cries of freedom and liar in the context of what was being said at the time – could it be that you were only there looking for a story?





